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		<title>By: texased</title>
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		<dc:creator>texased</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the problem with school administrators is that too often they treat their staff like their students and expect no challenge to their authority. I certainly don&#039;t think this is the case everytime, but I could see a principal believing that she was the ulitimate authority no matter what the rules might be and generally students don&#039;t go to the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the problem with school administrators is that too often they treat their staff like their students and expect no challenge to their authority. I certainly don&#8217;t think this is the case everytime, but I could see a principal believing that she was the ulitimate authority no matter what the rules might be and generally students don&#8217;t go to the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings
I am from Australia. I chanced upon your discussion re the McGhee/Lawson/Fisher fiasco. I have seen the same type of drama unfold in schools Down Under (in fact I think it is universal). Much hot air has been created and buckets of ill-will have been generated. I doubt whether the real reason for Ms McGhee&#039;s misadventure will ever really be revealed. It would put too many people in a bad light.

However, one thing I am  certain of. If Nancy Lawson could turn the clock back, I am 10000% sure she would have handled matters differently. In a lucid moment, she would just have to say to herself. &quot;Life is too short for all this nonsense. It isn&#039;t worth it&quot;. It would be sheer insanity for anyone to expose themselves (and the school community and the administrators and Ms McGee) to such an immense amount of  stress over an issue that could have been handled in a muuuuuuuuuuuuch muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch smarter way. But then again, principals are not necessarily renowned  for behaving with political nouse or thinking complex issues through carefully enough to avoid such a catastrophic outcome. And administrators are not such a  cluey bunch either to allow this  issue to became totally unmanageable.

 I am not surprised that a teacher  with 28 years experience would lash out and coopt the media if they felt that they were in a no-win situation (ie potential loss of superannuation and livelihood) and facing dismissal. Why push someone to the brink, allowing no wiggle room, and then react with indignation when they put up one helluva fight?  Not so smart, methinks.

Had Nancy (or the board) been savvy or reflective enough to explore the ramifications and feel the matter out more carefully before initiating action, I am 20000% certain that this fiasco could have been prevented...(unless they were masochists or got a high on self-flagellation).

In the end, there will be a lot of aggrieved and scarred combatants in this sorry drama. And  for what lasting benefit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings<br />
I am from Australia. I chanced upon your discussion re the McGhee/Lawson/Fisher fiasco. I have seen the same type of drama unfold in schools Down Under (in fact I think it is universal). Much hot air has been created and buckets of ill-will have been generated. I doubt whether the real reason for Ms McGhee&#8217;s misadventure will ever really be revealed. It would put too many people in a bad light.</p>
<p>However, one thing I am  certain of. If Nancy Lawson could turn the clock back, I am 10000% sure she would have handled matters differently. In a lucid moment, she would just have to say to herself. &#8220;Life is too short for all this nonsense. It isn&#8217;t worth it&#8221;. It would be sheer insanity for anyone to expose themselves (and the school community and the administrators and Ms McGee) to such an immense amount of  stress over an issue that could have been handled in a muuuuuuuuuuuuch muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch smarter way. But then again, principals are not necessarily renowned  for behaving with political nouse or thinking complex issues through carefully enough to avoid such a catastrophic outcome. And administrators are not such a  cluey bunch either to allow this  issue to became totally unmanageable.</p>
<p> I am not surprised that a teacher  with 28 years experience would lash out and coopt the media if they felt that they were in a no-win situation (ie potential loss of superannuation and livelihood) and facing dismissal. Why push someone to the brink, allowing no wiggle room, and then react with indignation when they put up one helluva fight?  Not so smart, methinks.</p>
<p>Had Nancy (or the board) been savvy or reflective enough to explore the ramifications and feel the matter out more carefully before initiating action, I am 20000% certain that this fiasco could have been prevented&#8230;(unless they were masochists or got a high on self-flagellation).</p>
<p>In the end, there will be a lot of aggrieved and scarred combatants in this sorry drama. And  for what lasting benefit?</p>
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		<title>By: mediaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>mediaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one super duper site</description>
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		<title>By: Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so bizarre. This was (I believe) an educated attempt to address the issue in Frisco. I have to state that Paula does have a point. And from being in education at the research level, the statistics cited by the others is limited (to say the least). But I have to say that the position of this poor elementary school was not helped at all by the aggressive, hateful rhetoric that was posted. You can almost understand why this happened to the teacher...if the same mindset exists on the board.

I do, however, feel sorry for all this focus on the school and principal. Especially, the media effect on the students. I also understand the need to fight back if this teacher was wrongfully accused. The district did sound a bit like a bully. I wish they had gone to court, so we could actually see what happened. I only hope that things have quieted down in Frisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so bizarre. This was (I believe) an educated attempt to address the issue in Frisco. I have to state that Paula does have a point. And from being in education at the research level, the statistics cited by the others is limited (to say the least). But I have to say that the position of this poor elementary school was not helped at all by the aggressive, hateful rhetoric that was posted. You can almost understand why this happened to the teacher&#8230;if the same mindset exists on the board.</p>
<p>I do, however, feel sorry for all this focus on the school and principal. Especially, the media effect on the students. I also understand the need to fight back if this teacher was wrongfully accused. The district did sound a bit like a bully. I wish they had gone to court, so we could actually see what happened. I only hope that things have quieted down in Frisco.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, I heard that mentioned by one of the candidates in the recent debate for governor. I should have known better to believe it true.  I guess you can&#039;t trust anyone these days.  My daughter was educated in Texas Public Schools, and earned an academic scholarship, so Texas has been good to us, and I am grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, I heard that mentioned by one of the candidates in the recent debate for governor. I should have known better to believe it true.  I guess you can&#8217;t trust anyone these days.  My daughter was educated in Texas Public Schools, and earned an academic scholarship, so Texas has been good to us, and I am grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Fisher Parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fisher Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula,

I understand the numbers that you cite, and agree that there are a variety of sources that arrive at different conclusions by looking at numbers in different ways.

You had mentioned earlier that your assertation that Texas was &quot;47th or 50th&quot; in the nation in terms of quality of education was based on information on Governor Perry&#039;s website.  I was unable to find anything on his website supporting that, and in your response to my confusion you pointed to data from the NEA saying Texas ranks &quot;34th or 35th&quot; in terms of per pupil spending.  I&#039;d respond to that remark in two ways.  First of all, I&#039;m not clear on how being &quot;34th or 35th&quot; in the nation for per pupil spending makes the quality of the education in Texas overall be &quot;47th or 50th&quot;, as you earlier asserted.  Second, I think that you&#039;ll find that even the NEA and Governor Perry interpret the NEA data in different ways.  I see from a speech that Governor Perry gave regarding education, posted on his website, the following comment:  &quot;According to the National Education Association, Texas public schools receive $10,400 for every student they educate. That&#039;s not a figure you hear often, but it is the only one that actually reflects how much our schools receive per child. And when you adjust the NEA data for cost of living, Texas is 12th in the nation in terms of the total dollars made available to our schools per student.&quot;  (The full text of this speech is at http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/speeches/speech_012904).  This data suggests that even that &quot;34th or 35th&quot; place accusation might be questionable.

Please understand that I&#039;m not trying to say that there is an absolute measure of how schools rank.   As I stated earlier, there ARE a lot of ways of measuring the quality of education, and if you look at different surveys and methodologies, you are going to see different results.  What I AM trying to say is that I think that it is not accurate to make the assertion, as you did, that the educational system in Texas ranks &quot;47th or 50th&quot;.  I believe that it absolutely is possible to obtain a quality education in Texas.  Are there bad schools in Texas?  Of course!  Are there good schools in Texas?  Absolutely!  Is this true in every other state as well?  Yes.  All of the data sources I&#039;m able to locate (sources that rely on actual quantifiable studies, rather than opinion pieces relying only on myth and stereotype) seem to indicate that Texas is definitely NOT ranked, by any measure, among the worse states for its public education system.  Most surveys also seem to indicate that the quality of education in Texas is improving, not getting worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula,</p>
<p>I understand the numbers that you cite, and agree that there are a variety of sources that arrive at different conclusions by looking at numbers in different ways.</p>
<p>You had mentioned earlier that your assertation that Texas was &#8220;47th or 50th&#8221; in the nation in terms of quality of education was based on information on Governor Perry&#8217;s website.  I was unable to find anything on his website supporting that, and in your response to my confusion you pointed to data from the NEA saying Texas ranks &#8220;34th or 35th&#8221; in terms of per pupil spending.  I&#8217;d respond to that remark in two ways.  First of all, I&#8217;m not clear on how being &#8220;34th or 35th&#8221; in the nation for per pupil spending makes the quality of the education in Texas overall be &#8220;47th or 50th&#8221;, as you earlier asserted.  Second, I think that you&#8217;ll find that even the NEA and Governor Perry interpret the NEA data in different ways.  I see from a speech that Governor Perry gave regarding education, posted on his website, the following comment:  &#8220;According to the National Education Association, Texas public schools receive $10,400 for every student they educate. That&#8217;s not a figure you hear often, but it is the only one that actually reflects how much our schools receive per child. And when you adjust the NEA data for cost of living, Texas is 12th in the nation in terms of the total dollars made available to our schools per student.&#8221;  (The full text of this speech is at <a href="http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/speeches/speech_012904" rel="nofollow">http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/speeches/speech_012904</a>).  This data suggests that even that &#8220;34th or 35th&#8221; place accusation might be questionable.</p>
<p>Please understand that I&#8217;m not trying to say that there is an absolute measure of how schools rank.   As I stated earlier, there ARE a lot of ways of measuring the quality of education, and if you look at different surveys and methodologies, you are going to see different results.  What I AM trying to say is that I think that it is not accurate to make the assertion, as you did, that the educational system in Texas ranks &#8220;47th or 50th&#8221;.  I believe that it absolutely is possible to obtain a quality education in Texas.  Are there bad schools in Texas?  Of course!  Are there good schools in Texas?  Absolutely!  Is this true in every other state as well?  Yes.  All of the data sources I&#8217;m able to locate (sources that rely on actual quantifiable studies, rather than opinion pieces relying only on myth and stereotype) seem to indicate that Texas is definitely NOT ranked, by any measure, among the worse states for its public education system.  Most surveys also seem to indicate that the quality of education in Texas is improving, not getting worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Fisher Parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fisher Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 03:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those of you who have children at Fisher, teach at Fisher, or live in this community, I&#039;d really love to have the chance to talk with you all away from the bitterness that seems to arise on this forum.  I am NOT saying that I have no desire to continue this public discussion--I still have the optimistic hope that we can bring some balance into this whole discussion.  However, I feel like there are certain things that each time we try to discuss simply lead the conversation into angry outcries at how ignorant we are, or how superior we must feel ourselves to be, or any of the other mud that has been slung at our school and our community.

If any of you are interested in having a discussion outside of this forum (perhaps even meeting locally sometime, if that seemed to make sense), please email me at frisco_parent@hotmail.com.

To those of you who remain convinced that my failure to take an absolute stand on this issue (either for or against Ms. McGee) is a sign of my moral and mental inferiority--I remain perfecly happy to continue our discussions, in a civil fashion, here on this board, but I reserve the right to not respond personally if you send emails to the hotmail address.  No offense is intended--that just isn&#039;t what I wanted to use that address for....  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you who have children at Fisher, teach at Fisher, or live in this community, I&#8217;d really love to have the chance to talk with you all away from the bitterness that seems to arise on this forum.  I am NOT saying that I have no desire to continue this public discussion&#8211;I still have the optimistic hope that we can bring some balance into this whole discussion.  However, I feel like there are certain things that each time we try to discuss simply lead the conversation into angry outcries at how ignorant we are, or how superior we must feel ourselves to be, or any of the other mud that has been slung at our school and our community.</p>
<p>If any of you are interested in having a discussion outside of this forum (perhaps even meeting locally sometime, if that seemed to make sense), please email me at <a href="mailto:frisco_parent@hotmail.com">frisco_parent@hotmail.com</a>.</p>
<p>To those of you who remain convinced that my failure to take an absolute stand on this issue (either for or against Ms. McGee) is a sign of my moral and mental inferiority&#8211;I remain perfecly happy to continue our discussions, in a civil fashion, here on this board, but I reserve the right to not respond personally if you send emails to the hotmail address.  No offense is intended&#8211;that just isn&#8217;t what I wanted to use that address for&#8230;.  <img src='http://www.texasedspectator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jazznrhythm&#180;s corner &#187; Auch Telepolis kann &#8220;bilden&#8221;&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazznrhythm&#180;s corner &#187; Auch Telepolis kann &#8220;bilden&#8221;&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ranking Texas Support for Education: A Tale of Two PDFs
Posted on Monday, July 18 @ 21:47:47 MDT by editor


 The Governor&#039;s Office has a pdf file that claims Texas ranks way high up in total spending on schools. Well it ought to rank high up as the second most populous state. Question is, how does Texas rank in terms of spending per pupil? Here the Governor&#039;s preferred source (the NEA) ranks Texas 34th or 35th.

Here&#039;s the Governor&#039;s PDF

Here&#039;s the NEA (see page 57)

And here are the latest census numbers (Released June 30, 2005)



Also worth mentioning, since 2000 Texas is the second fastest growing state in terms of raw numbers (1.6 million), fourth in terms of percentage (7.9).


I guess there are different ways to manipulate numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranking Texas Support for Education: A Tale of Two PDFs<br />
Posted on Monday, July 18 @ 21:47:47 MDT by editor</p>
<p> The Governor&#8217;s Office has a pdf file that claims Texas ranks way high up in total spending on schools. Well it ought to rank high up as the second most populous state. Question is, how does Texas rank in terms of spending per pupil? Here the Governor&#8217;s preferred source (the NEA) ranks Texas 34th or 35th.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Governor&#8217;s PDF</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the NEA (see page 57)</p>
<p>And here are the latest census numbers (Released June 30, 2005)</p>
<p>Also worth mentioning, since 2000 Texas is the second fastest growing state in terms of raw numbers (1.6 million), fourth in terms of percentage (7.9).</p>
<p>I guess there are different ways to manipulate numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I too, believe everything I read, especially on a web site of a Governor up for re-election.   But, If a Frisco parent says  everything on that site is  is the honest truth, it must be true!
There is no such thing as card stacking or conveniently using statistics to suit your own purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I too, believe everything I read, especially on a web site of a Governor up for re-election.   But, If a Frisco parent says  everything on that site is  is the honest truth, it must be true!<br />
There is no such thing as card stacking or conveniently using statistics to suit your own purpose.</p>
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