Comments on: Either Or http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/ Comments on the state of education in Texas Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:53:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Mike Arnold http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-238 Mike Arnold Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:38:20 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-238 Great article, definately a good read. Also should check out this information site about <a href="http://www.mckinneytexas.info" rel="nofollow">McKinney Texas</a> Definately relevant information there. Great article, definately a good read. Also should check out this information site about McKinney Texas Definately relevant information there.

]]> By: Angel http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-231 Angel Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:49:59 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-231 http://www.friscoisd.org/news/mcgee_timeline.htm Please check out this site for more up-to-date information in a time line format before you go on emailing these people. http://www.friscoisd.org/news/mcgee_timeline.htm

Please check out this site for more up-to-date information in a time line format before you go on emailing these people.

]]> By: Damn, round 2 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-218 Damn, round 2 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:30:58 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-218 Nancy Lawson lawsonn@friscoisd.org Richard Wilkinson wilkinsr@friscoisd.org Keri Miller millerk@friscoisd.org Linda Bass basslr@friscoisd.org Doug Zambiasi zambiasd@friscoisd.org Debra Nelson nelsond@friscoisd.org Rick Reedy reedyr@friscoisd.org Shana McKay-Wortham mckays@friscoisd.org Nancy Lawson lawsonn@friscoisd.org
Richard Wilkinson wilkinsr@friscoisd.org
Keri Miller millerk@friscoisd.org
Linda Bass basslr@friscoisd.org
Doug Zambiasi zambiasd@friscoisd.org
Debra Nelson nelsond@friscoisd.org
Rick Reedy reedyr@friscoisd.org
Shana McKay-Wortham mckays@friscoisd.org

]]> By: Think outside the classroom http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-219 Think outside the classroom Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:30:30 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-219 Send the Frisco district's administrative staff (and the school's principle) your thoughts: Nancy Lawson Richard Wilkinson Keri Miller Linda Bass Doug Zambiasi Debra Nelson Rick Reedy Shana McKay-Wortham Send the Frisco district’s administrative staff (and the school’s principle) your thoughts:

Nancy Lawson
Richard Wilkinson
Keri Miller
Linda Bass
Doug Zambiasi
Debra Nelson
Rick Reedy
Shana McKay-Wortham

]]> By: Angel http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-237 Angel Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:11:21 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-237 http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_278190717.html for anyone interested in seeing some television news footage from October 5. http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_278190717.html

for anyone interested in seeing some television news footage from October 5.

]]> By: Frisco Parent http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Frisco Parent Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:03:15 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-236 Agreed Angel.... I don't think the substance of the argument (on either side) about Ms. McGee is altered whether she was fired or placed on administrative leave.... I have a question for those people who continue to insist that this situation was a result of students seeing nude artwork. The school board, the administrators and many of the parents who actually were on that field trip have stated repeatedly that it was NOT the field trip, and certainly not nude artwork seen on the fieldtrop, that caused this whole situation. Clearly, you do not believe those statements. What specific thing needs to be done to change your view? Is there ANY evidence that you could see that would change your mind? Or has everyone become set in their positions to the point where it is impossible to take another viewpoint? Agreed Angel…. I don’t think the substance of the argument (on either side) about Ms. McGee is altered whether she was fired or placed on administrative leave….

I have a question for those people who continue to insist that this situation was a result of students seeing nude artwork. The school board, the administrators and many of the parents who actually were on that field trip have stated repeatedly that it was NOT the field trip, and certainly not nude artwork seen on the fieldtrop, that caused this whole situation. Clearly, you do not believe those statements. What specific thing needs to be done to change your view? Is there ANY evidence that you could see that would change your mind? Or has everyone become set in their positions to the point where it is impossible to take another viewpoint?

]]> By: Frisco Parent http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Frisco Parent Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:58:06 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-235 Speaking strictly from a legal definition, there IS a distinction between "fire" and "administrative leave". Research of the legal basis behind this reveals that the offical definition (in United States federal law), is found in 5 USC Chapter 63 (parts 6321, 6324, and 6325). According to that statute, administrative leave is "An absence from duty administratively authorized, without loss of pay." You are correct, Pat, that she is not being allowed to teach in a classroom at Fisher Elementary. However, since this absense is mandated by an administrative order, specifically referred to as "administrative leave", it is distinct from being relieved of her position ("fired"), which would imply a loss of pay. Speaking strictly from a legal definition, there IS a distinction between “fire” and “administrative leave”.

Research of the legal basis behind this reveals that the offical definition (in United States federal law), is found in 5 USC Chapter 63 (parts 6321, 6324, and 6325). According to that statute, administrative leave is “An absence from duty administratively authorized, without loss of pay.”

You are correct, Pat, that she is not being allowed to teach in a classroom at Fisher Elementary. However, since this absense is mandated by an administrative order, specifically referred to as “administrative leave”, it is distinct from being relieved of her position (“fired”), which would imply a loss of pay.

]]> By: Angel http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-234 Angel Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:53:42 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-234 OK then call it fired, whatever. She was dismissed, fired, let go, or put on paid administrative leave, but not for a student(s) seeing nude art on a field trip. OK then call it fired, whatever. She was dismissed, fired, let go, or put on paid administrative leave, but not for a student(s) seeing nude art on a field trip.

]]> By: Pat http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-230 Pat Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:58:54 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-230 Angel, you say she was never fired. Well, is she allowed back into her classroom? I didn't think so. Is she being paid? Yes, because there is a contract that requires she be paid. If the School Board didn't pay her then they would end up paying much more in a law suit they couldn't win. She has been fired by all definitions excepting yours and the School Board. Angel, you say she was never fired. Well, is she allowed back into her classroom? I didn’t think so. Is she being paid? Yes, because there is a contract that requires she be paid. If the School Board didn’t pay her then they would end up paying much more in a law suit they couldn’t win.

She has been fired by all definitions excepting yours and the School Board.

]]> By: Angel http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Angel Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:46:39 +0000 http://www.texasedspectator.com/2006/10/07/either-or/#comment-228 Some informative information to read here: http://www.friscoisd.org/news/mcgee_response_06oct.htm All in all, she was never fired because of the field trip. Matter of fact, she was never fired, only put on paid administrative leave because she was disturbing the learning environment. Interesting. Really you can see how the media would take her twisted-around-to-fit-her-needs information and sensationalize it to the public while the district’s hands were tied and could not respond fully for fear of privacy rights. Some informative information to read here:

http://www.friscoisd.org/news/mcgee_response_06oct.htm

All in all, she was never fired because of the field trip. Matter of fact, she was never fired, only put on paid administrative leave because she was disturbing the learning environment.

Interesting.

Really you can see how the media would take her twisted-around-to-fit-her-needs information and sensationalize it to the public while the district’s hands were tied and could not respond fully for fear of privacy rights.

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